GWSIG Monthly Meeting Minutes/Meeting41

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The meeting took place Thursday, April 30, 2009, from 12PM to 1PM EST.

Attendees

  1. AndyW
  2. CatWendt
  3. ChrisKeeling
  4. CorvusE
  5. JeffTx
  6. JoeTortuga
  7. JRob
  8. Kimm
  9. Liz-C
  10. MikeC
  11. Sande
  12. TehDrew
  13. TobiasHeussner
  14. wendy


Transcript

AndyW: Drum roll and fanfares

AndyW: welcome to the April meeting of the SIG

mib_5twb96: mib_5twb96 is Kim :)

TehDrew: it keeps blinking out on me

JRob: hi Kim

mib_5twb96: Hi. I don't know how to change it. Right clicking doesn't work.

CorvusE: Kim, change your name by typing '/nick Kim' (without the quotes)

AndyW: And a hello to all from the exec...Wendy, Corvus and Andy (me)

TehDrew: wait...I think I have it

mib_5twb96: Thanks, Corvus.

AndyW: Let's get underway

mib_5twb96: '/nick Kim

AndyW: anything you'd like to say about the new Exec Wendy?

mib_5twb96: nope

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JRob: hello new Exec

CorvusE: TehDrew: you might need to use the Mibbit option rather than the chat.zakelro option

CorvusE: Kim, you still had a single quote on that

JRob: too late, alas

AndyW: Thanks for the pidgin link Corvus that was painless

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CorvusE: excellent, AndyW

CorvusE: Woo, Kimm!

AndyW: Lets try again

AndyW: Item !

AndyW: Item 1

Kimm: It kept saying all the other options were in use!

AndyW: 1. New Exec, hello.

AndyW: 1. New Exec, hello.

AndyW: 1 New Exec - hello

CorvusE: hello.

JeffTx: hola

AndyW: Wendy has agreed to chair for this year so thanks to Wendy :)

CorvusE: Hooray, Wendy!

JRob: three chairs for wendy

wendy: and now i'm back at my computer

wendy: hi everyone

AndyW: Anything you'd like to add Wendy?

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CorvusE: It's just one chair. Although it's the big one.

wendy: and yes, thanks for voting for us everyone - and welcome Corvus to the board.

JRob: re Drew

AndyW: Then we move swiftly on to 2. Volunteer co-ordination – volunteer coordinator post.

AndyW: (and welcome Corvus! ;) )

CorvusE: thanks, Wendy and Andy

wendy: right

CorvusE: good to be a part of it

wendy: so i had this evil thought

JRob: Hmm, didn't someone volunteer to be the volunteer coordinator?

wendy: not that all my thoughts aren't evil

wendy: Tracey volunteered to help out with the coordination of volunteers

JRob: depends on if they're lawful or chaotic evil

wendy: but she's been very busy

JRob: right, Tracey

AndyW: Would someone like to volunteer to organise volunteers? :)

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AndyW: How do you see the role working Wendy?

CatWendt: Woo! Sorry I'm late, but yay I got this thing workin'!

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wendy: so when we ended up with 4 people in the election, I wondered if the person who didn't get on the board (whoever that might be) might be interested in being the volunteer coordinator

AndyW: welcome CatWendt

wendy: well, I have not a few people email me and say they want to volunteer to help

AndyW: Cough Drew cough

TehDrew: Hmmm...that doesn't sound like much of a runner-up prize

wendy: but I am truly falling down on the job at funneling these people into real volunteer jobs

wendy: i obviously need to delegate this to someone else

JRob: wanted: one funnel

CorvusE: It's be a great networking opportunity, TehDrew

JRob: put the fun in funneling volunteers

wendy: so when a person says, "Hey, I want to volunteer!" the volunteer coordinator can talk to them (via email) a bit about what they want to do and help them find a fit

AndyW: So the role is one who looks to help volunteers get to the right initiative leader

AndyW: and make sure everyon is happy/know what they're doing?

wendy: yes

wendy: and if that initiative leader has fallen silent for some reason, then that volunteer can report it back to the volunteer coordinator

Liz-C: I would be willing to volunteer to organize volunteers. I just won't have a lot of time until June, once I have one gigantic thing off my plate.

wendy: so they can follow up and report that maybe that initiative owner needs a co-owner or something

AndyW: That would be great Liz

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CorvusE: Go, Liz!

AndyW: We can send some emails through to you in advance of June and then move forward then

wendy: we'll take you anytime we can get you, Liz

AndyW: That would be great if you'd be willing

TobiasHeussner: Hello and good afternoon/evening

AndyW: Hi Tobias

CatWendt: Howdy Tobias

Liz-C: Sounds like a plan to me! I can at least get back to the volunteers and let them know they're appreciated until we get them a fit.

AndyW: Thanks Liz, lets say we forward things to you and roll this out in June

Liz-C: Hi Tobias

AndyW: And we move on to Item 3 3. Housecleaning. Initiatives – who is heading what? What is live and what is not – Initiatives on the wiki - Writing Internships, Hiring Hall, SIG Quarterly, Library of Scriprs and Game Documents, Game Reviews, Game Writing Book (still listed as book 3), Education Outreach, Whitepaper Revisions, Surveys. What’s missing?? What should be mothballed?

AndyW: THen we know who volunteers should go to and who is in charge of what

wendy: would it help for me to run down the list and say who i thought was in charge of each?

AndyW: Do we know who is coordinating what from this list as the wiki is out of date

AndyW: Yes, thanks Wendy

Liz-C: That would be good Wendy, I can start making a list and change as needed

wendy: I thought Writing Internships was sort of being led by Rich Dansky, but I know he'd like some help with it

wendy: I thought the Hiring Hall was being led by Sande Chen

wendy: The SIG Quarterly is in Beth Dillon's capable hands

wendy: the library of scripts and game documents has been championed by Stephen Jacobs, but he's been very busy lately

wendy: the Game Reviews - is that Corvus? This one I don't know

wendy: The Game Writing Book would be me and Chris Keeling a bit

CorvusE: I'll address that in a second

TehDrew: I'm helping Dansky with the internship bit, but I've been a little behind in that

AndyW: Rob, you were involved in a few of these as well?

wendy: the Education Outreach was Stephen Jacobs and Beth Dillon, but both of them seem to have their hands full

wendy: The Whitepaper revisions were orphaned by Dansky and never picked up by anybody else

JeffTx: Liz-C, you can put me down as a volunteer

wendy: Surveys is also orphaned as far as I know

JRob: hmm, my status is confusing to everyone especially myself.

AndyW: Can we update all of these on the wiki?

wendy: Rob has been helping Sande with the Hiring Hall

wendy: and keeping the wiki updated

AndyW: Sande was working on surveys an age ago

JRob: there was a move to morph the Hiring Hall somewhat, and that largely came from me prodding the mailing list, kind of making it mine

AndyW: shall we mothball the survey?

Liz-C: JeffTx, gotcha will need contact info later.

AndyW: delete the initiative from the wiki?

wendy: what do you mean by mothball exactly?

CorvusE: Yeah, I think the HH would benefit from having a lead that wasn't super-involved with the organization of a new SIG

AndyW: Are there any initiatives mising

JRob: and in the Quarterly that went missing, I noticed I was listed as the contact for the script library, which surprised me but I thought "well, ok"

AndyW: say it's done with

JeffTx: Seems to be a lot of mothballing

AndyW: And keep what information we have

wendy: um, i don't want to delete any initiative from the wiki, as I think they're all good ideas and may be picked up at a later time

JRob: mainly I'm officially in charge of the wiki still

TobiasHeussner: I can help a bit more with the Quarterly (where I'm already involved) and the book, if more help is needed...

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AndyW: I think we should have a B list then, as we have a lot of active stuff to cover and this seems to be going nowhere

JRob: you could just update the Survey initiative page to say that it's on hold and looking for someone to take charge of making it active

wendy: or you could update that page, Rob. ;-)

AndyW: Lets have an active and an ongold list then

ChrisKeeling: At last! Sorry I'm late - where are we at?

TehDrew: Did the Celtx tool initiative get mothballed?

JRob: and when I say "you", I mean.. me

AndyW: onhold

JRob: I was kind of thinking we'd see the Celtx guys at GDC but I guess not

TobiasHeussner: Hi Chris

wendy: i think the celtx tool initiative just foundered a bit

CorvusE: IT did

JRob: that's a shame, it seemed like things were moving happily along after AGDC

wendy: is the tools initiative listed on the wiki?

JRob: but software dev takes a while

AndyW: That's how I read it

TehDrew: No...I could definitely tell by the end of AGDC that Greg was losing interest. I told Ron as much

CorvusE: yeah, it's not dead, just a bit up in the air

JRob: It is on the Initiatives page, but not on the main page summary of initiatives

JRob: It being "tools"

wendy: so we really already have an "A" list of initiatives and a "B" list of initiatives

CorvusE: The Game Reviews initiative is becoming the Journalism Initiative

JRob: (to Drew) Hmm, really? Because there was some mailing list activity (separate mailing list about celtx and all that) afterwards that was cheerful enough

wendy: where the "A" ones are listed on the main wiki page, and the "B" ones are listed on the initiatives page

CorvusE: and we need a volunteer to be the official head of that

CorvusE: with my full support and cooperation

wendy: ah, Corvus, I thought you were going to head that :-)

JRob: "not it"

AndyW: We shouldn't confuse the journalism and games review thing they're separate

CorvusE: I'm going to help organize it, but I don't need to be the head

JRob: well, game reviews is a subhead of journalism, eh?

CorvusE: if that makes sense

AndyW: We want reviews and to encourage

JeffTx: I like Celtx---whats the issue with the initiative?

JoeTortuga: What is the Journalism Initiative?

AndyW: yup Rob, but we need to make sure one doesn't disappear into the other

TehDrew: JRob, yeah, but that didn't amount to much. Greg talked to me and said, "It seems like everyone is happy enough using Excel spreadsheets..."

wendy: I think the issues with the Celtx initiative is that it needs an "owner"

CorvusE: The Journalism Initiative is helping turn the SIG into a place of value for game journalists

AndyW: There needs to be a balance to that

wendy: someone to follow up with Celtx and let them know we're still interested, etc.

JRob: and promoting the idea that game journalism is part of the whole package of Game Writing

AndyW: THe SIG shouldn't be a place where games journalists come for cheap quote

CorvusE: No, it shouldn't

JRob: can it be where they come for expensive, lucrative quotes?

CorvusE: But it should be a place where they can come to discuss their own concerns about their slice of the industry

JeffTx: Wendy, we are still interested in what exactly?

AndyW: We should make sure there's a good practice guide, a lot of writers talk candidly here and we don't want people posting things to the list to be helpful and then finding things on websites and magazines as a result...I've had a few people email me worried about that

AndyW: I agree Corvus

CorvusE: The JI is partially waiting on the new web tech to get a full launch

AndyW: How do we bring these two things together without compromising the other?

TehDrew: I was under the impression that Ron Toland and Stephen Dinehart were the contacts for Celtx

CorvusE: because we can give the initiative its own mailing list

CorvusE: Stephen contacted CeltX a few months ago

wendy: JeffTx - Celtx was helping us with a tool for writing. That's our "tools" initiative. And I think that initiative needs an owner - someone to follow up with Celtx and tell them we're still interested in a tool, and help move the initiative along

CorvusE: and got a "we're still chewing on it" response

AndyW: Initiatives on the wiki - Writing Internships, Hiring Hall, SIG Quarterly, Library of Scriprs and Game Documents, Game Reviews, Game Writing Book (still listed as book 3), Education Outreach, Whitepaper Revisions, Surveys.

AndyW: Writing Internships - Rich, Drew

wendy: ok, so i guess what we really needed was someone to report to the committee about the status of the tools initiative :-)

JeffTx: Got it, thanks

AndyW: Hiring Hall Sandy

AndyW: Quarterly Beth

AndyW: We need to add the Journalism Initiative with Corvus heading it

wendy: Andy, are you looking at this page? http://www.igda.org/wiki/Game_Writers_SIG/Initiativeshttp://www.igda.org/wiki/Game_Writers_SIG/Initiatives

AndyW: Library - we need a volunteer

wendy: or are you just looking to update the list on the main page with the most active initiatives?

AndyW: Game Reviews - Corvus

AndyW: Book -Wendy

CorvusE: Strike Game Reviews

AndyW: Education outreach - We need to talk to Stephen and see if he's still doing that

CorvusE: it's supplanted by Journo

AndyW: Are we no longer adding reviews anywhere?

wendy: well, we do have some volunteers actively wanting to work on improving Game Reviews right now - even if it is a part of the larger Journalism initiative

AndyW: This was supposed to gather reviews of games which had good writing in them

CorvusE: ah

CorvusE: well, that's not me

Kimm: Andy, I could help with the Library.

alexlh3: the games had good writing or the reviews? or both?

CorvusE: improving game reviews is part of the journalism outreach

AndyW: Thanks Kimm

CorvusE: lest it turn into an ugly "industry writers vs press" issue

AndyW: Both Alex, but the emphasis is on the writing in the game

AndyW: That's grand

wendy: Ok, looking at the actual wiki page

CorvusE: But collecting reviews is not something I was in on

wendy: it says this is the initiative to get writers (us) to write our own reviews, on the wiki etc. looking specifically at the writing on a game

wendy: this is my perennial attempt to get the game writers of the world to start talking about what games have good writing in them

wendy: as it's hard to study how to write well, when you don't even know what "well" is

AndyW: And we need someone to organise that ;)

wendy: it was once called the "Hall of fame" initiative

wendy: and it might be less confusing if we called it that again

AndyW: We have an update from the meeting, shall we follow this up off list?

JRob: that would be a confusing name for other reasons

AndyW: And move on to 4

wendy: Rob, could you get that name change on the wiki?

JRob: ok

wendy: it would?

AndyW: We can see if anyone is willing to take on the missing roles?

JRob: well, I would expect it to be a hall of fame like the baseball and rock and roll halls of fame, not game reviews

wendy: well, a list of great games - with an explanation of why we thought they were great

JRob: ok

wendy: and you can put me down as the owner on this initiative Andy

AndyW: 4. Working with other SIGs (Corvus)

AndyW: That's grand, thanks for that Wendy

wendy: do we have all the owners you were looking for now, Andy?

AndyW: Corvus can you shout out about Working with oter SIGs and I'll read back

CorvusE: I'm interested in coordinating more cross-SIG initiatives and projects.

wendy: Corvus, I know the Women in Games SIG is very interested in coordinating initiatives with us

CorvusE: For example, Fiona of the WIG SIG has been reaching out to us for a while now

wendy: right. that.

wendy: i fear it's one of those things that is falling off the edge of my very full plate

wendy: so Corvus, are you interested in being the point-man on coordinating with other sigs?

CorvusE: Some of what this is going to entail is me looking for people within our SIG to help with some writing and editing for other SIG's publications

AndyW: Wendy - we need to check with Stephen about Education. I'll talk to Rich about Whitepapers. we mothball surveys and I think that's it apart from checking with other initiative leaders (I can't remember if Sande had asked to not cover Hiring Hall)

CorvusE: Yes, Wendy.

wendy: Andy, I think you can just go ahead and move the whitepaper off the list of hot initiatives right now

wendy: he literally dropped it and said he didn't have time

CorvusE: literally dropped it?

wendy: and nobody stepped up to rescue it, so it goes to the back burner, I think (which sounds a lot less morbid than mothballing, imho. heh)

CorvusE: hm....

AndyW: I might look at this with him...depending on my time commitments

wendy: yes, he said, "I drop this" and it made a thumping noise

AndyW: that was me tentatively offering time...

CorvusE: heh

wendy: oh, hah!

wendy: sorry Andy

JRob: who dropped what? I lost track of the antecedents of these pronouns

wendy: i thought you were going to try to convince him to pick it up again, which i thought was a fruitless effort

JRob: oh, Rich and Whitepapers

AndyW: Lets move on and wait for intitatives across SIGS to come up with definite projects, but say we all think it would be great

wendy: Rich dropped the whitepaper

CorvusE: HE dropped IT. Pay attention, you!

CorvusE: (-.0)

AndyW: I'm thinking big hug and we talk about it :)

AndyW: 5. Wiki update including - FAQs for the wiki – progress report

wendy: Corvus, so are you in touch with Fiona already?

CorvusE: I am,Wendy

CorvusE: I'll follow up with her

CorvusE: So you can ignore those emails in your inbox

AndyW: Thanks Corvus

AndyW: Wiki anyone?

wendy: it would also be worth following up with the Ed SIG

CorvusE: Although I'll happily CC you if you want to track the conversation

wendy: as that would cover another of the initiatives

CorvusE: Yes, I will follow up there as well

JRob: the state of the wiki is sound

wendy: no, Corvus, run with it - with my blessing

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AndyW: Grand, any comments anyone one, other than the list of things above?

| CorvusE ruefully comes back to the meeting.

AndyW: If not we'll move on

wendy: right. i thought i asked for the wiki item to be taken off the agenda as Rob has it well in hand :-)

AndyW: 6. Quarterly - Increasing SIG visibility - IGDA magazine

wendy: that too, as i have nothing new to say about it - tho i am happy to field questions

AndyW: I've seen this on here - do we know who is writing what for what in this case?

wendy: we're waiting on funding for the magazine before we know when it will go out

AndyW: That would help :)

wendy: no, this is well in hand already Andy

AndyW: Cool thanks

AndyW: . Adding more Games journalists to the SIG 8.

wendy: if anyone _wants_ to write for it, who hasn't already expressed interest, email Beth Dillon

AndyW: Corvus?

CorvusE: We've pretty much already covered that, Andy

JRob: yeah

CorvusE: That's the Journalism Initiative

AndyW: No real talk about what's being done though

CorvusE: and I'm already in contact with several people

AndyW: Can you update us as to what is happening

CorvusE: About what, exactly, we plan on doing

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CorvusE: We're going to start by generating some basic FAQs

wendy: so it's still in the formulating stages?

CorvusE: Written by Journos already involved in the SIG

CorvusE: Yes, it's very proto

AndyW: 8. AGC brainstorming for Drew.

CorvusE: I've got about 4 or 5 people that I'll be working with

AndyW: That's great, thanks Corvus

AndyW: Drew?

TehDrew: Hey

AndyW: 8. AGC brainstorming for Drew.

TehDrew: Ta Da!

wendy: tell us what you need, Drew

TehDrew: So, yes, as we know, the AGDC is approaching in Sept

alexlh3: corvus i'm still interested in volunteering for that initiative

CorvusE: excellent Alex, thank you

TehDrew: I've been informed will be looking for money, so check your pockets. ;)

TehDrew: No, seriously, anyone have experience getting people to open their wallets for us?

Liz-C: Which initiative alexlh3? i am just trying to keep a list.

alexlh3: Journo

wendy: I can tell you, Drew, that Bioware is often willing to sponsor writing-related efforts if they're given enough lead-time

JoeTortuga: put me down as interested in that as well, Liz, Corvus

CorvusE: Thanks, Joe

wendy: and AK Peters kicked in a few hundred dollars last year, i believe

JeffTx: Liz-C, my email is screenwritr@gmail.com

Liz-C: Gotcha, thanks

JRob: I guess the Gingerman will be somewhere else by then

TehDrew: Also, last year, we had a booth, SIG books, Quarterlies, and a poster (it's gone...). Any ideas on what you would like to have this year that's beyond that?

AndyW: A local bar might add some sponsorship if we make them our base....

TehDrew: The Gingerman has already reloacted

JeffTx: Rob, its a block from the old one

wendy: the bar sponsorship is a great idea

wendy: and Drew is local, so he could scout them out ;-)

JRob: "we're writers. we drink a lot. care to sponsor?"

AndyW: We shouldn't spend too much, but a professional looking poster/banner is useful!

mib_4qepr6: sande waves hi silently - was in a biz mtg before

TobiasHeussner: I liked the stickers to identify SIG members

AndyW: Exactly Rob

AndyW: Hey Sande, thanks for making it here :)

JRob: badge stickers, awesome

AndyW: Stickers would be cool again

JRob: I guess I still have the... hmm yeah I must still have the leftovers

JRob: though will I be able to find them come september? less likely

wendy: i liked having donuts at the booth in the mornings. was i the only one?

JeffTx: I know the Gingerman manager and some local brewery reps---i could see if they would be willing to fork over some cash or free beer

TehDrew: I've got some too, I believe

AndyW: This too should go on the initiatives list me thinks under commandant Drew

AndyW: That would be great Jeff

TehDrew: I liked them...they drew in people who didn't care about writing

CorvusE: I have to go deal with moving details

wendy: thanks for coming Corvus!

Liz-C: Reuing is always a good though if you can put them someplce that you'll remember them in a few months :)

AndyW: see you Corvus, thanks for everything

CorvusE: I'll catch up with the logs this weekend

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EsuvroC: .gniltrohc yawa srednaw CorvusE

wendy: i can always print off more stickers if we need them

TehDrew: Okay, what about a game....I know this is talked about each GDC, but I've never seen it

AndyW: Anything further Drew, or should we move to any other business?

AndyW: That could be good, if we can get AGDC to give a place for it

wendy: Drew, we'll email you with ideas for Austin if we think of more

TehDrew: Tha's great

wendy: what do you mean - a place for it, Andy?

AndyW: Yes

wendy: i think Drew is thinking of a pervasive street-style game

AndyW: They are hit and miss with that

wendy: like collecting business cards or whatever

TehDrew: I also have concerns about pushing the "joining " the SIG as much as we did last year

AndyW: that'd be grand

TehDrew: but maybe this is a different topic

AndyW: 9. Any other business

AndyW: Is there anything anyone would like to talk about/raise?

wendy: i don't see why we would need to get AGDC's permission to run our own game, unless they plan to run one

wendy: Drew, can you tell us what you were uncomfortable with last year?

TehDrew: Any ideas for these pervasive games?

JRob: I seem to recall a bunch of people joined, then said, "wait, this is filling my inbox with random discussions I don't care about! I'm out of here!"

TehDrew: Well, we have a huge influx of people joining and they're not necessarily interested in games writing, but we get bombarded with emails saying, "Hi, remember me?"

wendy: well, the mailing list is certainly an acquired taste as it is right now

TehDrew: I think it would be better to bypass the sign-up and push them towards the website, where they can join if they so choose

wendy: well, we can't just let the "cool" people join :-)

wendy: we take all comers

wendy: well, it may come down to what our website looks like come AGDC this year

wendy: last year, the sign-up info was hard to find on our website

AndyW: I think we should ride the wave of recruits, it's better to have a few low stamina people join and leave than to not make more people aware of us and wither away

TehDrew:  :(

wendy: and everyone says our website is confusing

mib_4qepr6: we could also put a warning in our monthly info burst about the frequency of the group

JeffTx: out of curiousity--who here is planning to attending AGDC?

AndyW: but yes we DO need to find a way of dealing with the mailing list

JRob: I am

AndyW: but that's waiting for the tech solutions

JoeTortuga: I'm hoping to make it

Liz-C: I am also hoping to make it

ChrisKeeling: Me too

CatWendt: Ditto on the hoping

alexlh3: same here

wendy: Chris - you're doing the monthly info-bursts, right?

TehDrew: weren't we going to discuss mailing list ettiquette at some point?

AndyW: 9. Any other business Anything else anyone would like to raise?

ChrisKeeling: I have in the past, when I haven't forgotten!

AndyW: Yes, we should look at that

TobiasHeussner: I'm hoping to make it

AndyW: A list of mailing list ettiquette

AndyW: i.e do not just email out the word LOL

ChrisKeeling: I can send a new one as soon as the chat log is posted if you like

TehDrew: definitely...we need to encourage people to take witty retorts and "thank you"s offlist

AndyW: I've been guilty of some of these things too, but with a much extended mailing list it's starting to impact on membership

wendy: Chris, I think we're talking about adding some stuff to it about mailing list ettitquette

ChrisKeeling: Sounds good

AndyW: There are a lot of people who have got annoyed by short 'personal' emails etc on the list

JRob: and of course top-posting and quoting 900 lines at the end

JeffTx: hey, i love doing that

JRob: perfectly ok for people reading with google...

AndyW: There have also been a number of 'personal opinion' pieces that have cause hurt when not thought out

ChrisKeeling: Right, snip off the last 18 emails from the bottom when you can

wendy: and yet, there's been a definite lull in mailing list traffic the last week and a half

mib_4qepr6: I send people private e-mails about that, the top-posting and quoting

TehDrew: to this, I say the execs must have a stronger hand in pushing things off-list...don't be scared to weild your God-give power

AndyW: I think people should be encouraged to post

TehDrew:  ;)

AndyW: but with a little responsibility ;)

JRob: BONG BONG BONG noon

AndyW: Some of this will ease once the tech solutions become avaialable

Liz-C: or at least common courtesy

AndyW: And I like how liely th list has been, it means the SIG is lively

TehDrew: also, we need to encourage the "pros" to post. The little people looooove hearing from them.

AndyW: common courtesy is a grand idea

wendy: well, the pros are not enjoyiing posting in this environment right now

ChrisKeeling: Munchkins?

alexlh3: if you guys are referring to my argument with ed fear, i'm sorry about that, i got a little carried away

wendy: the few pros who have posted recently were not met with respect

wendy: and i'm not saying we need to fawn all over the pros

ChrisKeeling: Everyone should be respectful to everyone else, regardless of their status

AndyW: we're not singling anyone out there have been lots of individual cases

wendy: but we do need to be careful about telling them they don't know what they're talking about

AndyW: I agree Chris

TehDrew: If we weed out the small one-liners and promote conversation based around actual, real-world issues from the pros, this SIG flourishes overnight

TehDrew: I put good money on that

wendy: flourishes over night?

wendy: i didn't know we were foundering

JRob: heh.

AndyW: I'm worried about Drew flourishing anything

TehDrew: But with the pros staying mostly silent, there seems to be a lack of necessity to read anything posted

JRob: hmmm.

wendy: well, nobody is really bringing up questions the pros want to address, either

AndyW: I think there have been some interesting posts from all quarters

wendy: they don't have time to get involved in long theorizing about what is story

ChrisKeeling: The GD SIG is having a monthly blog topic - perhaps we could have a monthly email topic and invite people with some experience in the community to start the discussion so that those who are relatively damp behind the ears can learn from them?

AndyW: okay, we've hit the hour, shall I bring this meeting to a close?

Liz-C: I don't remember but how did that writing prompt work out Wendy? I saw it but I was completely swamped when it started.

JeffTx: I like that idea

AndyW: Good idea Chris

AndyW: And with that *bang Bang* I declare this meeting officially over

AndyW: Thanks for coming, please staya and chat

wendy: that writing prompt worked out fairly well - although i didn't see a lot of critiques, and i didn't have time to offer them in a timely manner

AndyW: Stay happy and good luck with your projects one and all!

Liz-C: The Leadership SIG is doing something similar Chris and that actually gets people writing in there.

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Liz-C: Thanks Andy!

CatWendt: As someone who participated, I'll say I only got one critique.

CatWendt: Yours Wendy, thanks btw.

Liz-C: I was also going to critique a few that I managed to read and I would have loved to participate

AndyW: Thanks for volunteering Liz

AndyW: and to all our new volunteers :D

wendy: i haven't wanted to start another writing prompt before I went back and critiqued the ones I haven't got to yet

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Liz-C: No problem, for the other volunteers on this list you can contact me at lc@liz-c.com

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ChrisKeeling: Tschuss!

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Kimm: Have a great day, everyone. :)

Kimm: Bye.

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Liz-C: That does pose a problem and adds one more thing to your list of stuff Wendy...

JeffTx: what is the writing prompt?

AndyW: I'd better go, is anyone taking a copy of this for the wiki?

wendy: a month... or two? or more? ago, I sent out an email titled: Can You Do Better? or something like that

AndyW: A writing exercise

JeffTx: ahh, ill go back and look

JeffTx: thanks, i believe i remember that

wendy: and encouraged people to do better than me

TobiasHeussner: bye everyone. Was good "seeing" you again. Have a great day.

JeffTx: you psyched them out

wendy: Andy, I think Rob said he was doing the transcribing

JeffTx: intimidated them

AndyW: see you tobias

Liz-C: Great thing, maybe we can approach some of the pros on the list to do some critiques? That would take that off your plate and maybe get them on the list more.

wendy: could be, Jeff. :-)

Liz-C: I think part of the problem is a lot of people don't necessarily know who the pros are.

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wendy: I agree, Liz

wendy: and it's tough to show who the pros are when it's just a mailing list

AndyW: The problem is getting pros with the time to do it and the willingness to stick their head over the parapet,

wendy: that's one reason i keep pushing this "hall of fame" idea - so we can at least get a list of writers somewhere on the wiki

JeffTx: Should be able to get freelance pros, though

wendy: Andy, I wonder if we could ask a pro to critique just one - and be specific about it

AndyW: Um, they can be even more overloaded...

Liz-C: hehe right, well we could at least approach them and when the prompt is sent out we can give a list of those willing to participate that month?

AndyW: for sure

AndyW: I agree!

AndyW: a format for critique would be helpful

wendy: emailing them privately, "Hey Andy, below is a short plot sketch for a game from one of our new kids. wwould you have time to give a quick critique?"

AndyW: so they know they don't have to write an essate

wendy: that's a good point Andy

AndyW: essay

Liz-C: That way those doing the writing prompt will know their submission is being viewed by a pro... Right!

AndyW: and they also won't get a sulky - they didn't like my writing so I HATE them response

AndyW: been there

wendy: yikes. someone did that to you on our mailing list Andy?

Liz-C: Yes and it might spark more interest in pros, people looking for their advice...

AndyW: Not done a critique on here, but there are a lot of people who come to you with writing so you can say 'it's good' not to help them improve...if you know what I mean :D

Liz-C: That's never a pleasant experience Andy... I've been there too.

AndyW: And I know a number of them get bombarded

wendy: oh yeah, i know what you mean

AndyW: Rhi must get 25 interview requests a week

AndyW: I think I have 4 I've not done get (looks shifty and guilty)

wendy: so when we send out the writing prompt, we should also include the critique form so people know what to expect from a critique

AndyW: done yet, gah, can';t type

AndyW: right, deadline calls, must dash. Thanks for coming everyon - see you on the list!

wendy: bye Andy, thanks for running the meeting!

JRob: bye wendy

AndyW: np

JRob: email me about the thing and the other thing

AndyW: thanks for chairing us all! ;)

Liz-C: Byw!

wendy: i'll smack you with a chair...

Liz-C: Bye!

JRob: please allow 6-8 weeks for a response

AndyW: bye!

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